tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post1334442310594918988..comments2023-10-30T07:49:39.886-04:00Comments on Goonerboy: The stats don't lie: Denilson and Song were a disaster against Sunderland.Goonerboyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10489244017423718503noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-76393927214433991682009-02-26T09:00:00.000-05:002009-02-26T09:00:00.000-05:00Denilson was my MOTM against roma.he was great. he...Denilson was my MOTM against roma.he was great. he is 21. he will be awesome.claptongoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12032534350311125334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-88931927728484807482009-02-25T01:51:00.000-05:002009-02-25T01:51:00.000-05:00Yeah, I watched Denilson play further up the pitch...Yeah, I watched Denilson play further up the pitch against Roma last night, and you're right, Goonerboy; all he can do is look composed and tidy and make incisive passes, using his good balance and quick feet to engineer space for himself and others. What a waste of space. I'm sure you'll agree we should sell him and buy Yaya Toure who is teh best eva!!1!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-48489170506818874892009-02-24T08:13:00.000-05:002009-02-24T08:13:00.000-05:00Sorry but you are full of shit. Have you ever hear...Sorry but you are full of shit. <BR/><BR/>Have you ever heard of a 4-2-3-1?<BR/><BR/>We played two holding midfielders whose primary task was to win the ball in the middle and cover the wings because Nasri and Arshavin aren't strong defensively.<BR/><BR/>Madrid are playing something similar, and it has solidified their defence(they hardly concede these days). But go and check and how many passes Diarra and Gago complete in the final 3rd.<BR/><BR/>Oh your stats are complete bollocks! Denilson played the pass of the game to Van Persie(who chipped it wide) in the opening minutes of the match.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-74175477605109843332009-02-24T04:13:00.000-05:002009-02-24T04:13:00.000-05:00The time has come for wenger to jump ship & le...The time has come for wenger to jump ship & let someone else spend the millions we allegedly have to spend.<BR/>Wengers gone stale, the end of Graham's tenure anyone??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-26103017298571482582009-02-23T13:28:00.000-05:002009-02-23T13:28:00.000-05:00This is getting silly now. We were all believers a...This is getting silly now. We were all believers around this time last year when we were sitting pretty at the top of the league. What has actually changed since for people to say things like "the shittes team we have had since George Graham"? We hae lost Flamini and Hleb and we have gained Nasri and Arshavin. Was Flamini really that good that he is the difference between a shit team and a great team??? We have had a poor season due to lots of factors including injuries and poor form but is there really a need to overreact?? Support the team and we will get into the CL!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-60490083066728129152009-02-23T10:44:00.000-05:002009-02-23T10:44:00.000-05:00I can't understand why people are on Denilsons cas...I can't understand why people are on Denilsons case so much. I think he's crap but Wenger is the man who put him there so thats who i have a problem with. The teams slow style of play is his fault too. We are in this situation because of Wenger and a board full of greedy twats who claim to love the club. Fed up with people like HillWood for 15 yearsTonytheGoonerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14687787309456201718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-37528788413013927392009-02-23T08:53:00.000-05:002009-02-23T08:53:00.000-05:00You all seem to beat about the bush, we are now pl...You all seem to beat about the bush, we are now playing with two DM and that is unacceptable, it has to be either Denilson or Song and Nasri will play in the AM role.<BR/><BR/>We are talking about Denilson not making enought attacking threats, it is because he is playing as DM but when he plays with Fabrigas, he wants to be the AM, that is the problem we are having, I bet Fabrigas will be scoring if he was playing with Song, because Song will just stay deep and protect the back 4. The formation should be Almunia<BR/><BR/>Sagna Gallas Djourou Clichy<BR/><BR/>Arshavin Nasri Song Vela<BR/> Van Persie Eduardo(fit) Bentner.<BR/><BR/>Period, I will always play Djourou ahead of Toure, the guy deserves a chance as well, Wilshire, Ramsey and the Rest should also get some decent playing minutes. Instead of bringing Eboue on, Wilshire or Ramsey or Merida would have added something better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-23614604624798080312009-02-23T08:13:00.000-05:002009-02-23T08:13:00.000-05:00Why Wenger is so stubborn?! Im fed up with Denilso...Why Wenger is so stubborn?! <BR/>Im fed up with Denilson and SOng..<BR/>he can put Vela on the left and then move Nasri to his best position - The middle.....Then put SONG as DMF for denfensive work. <BR/>It will be like that for midfield <BR/>Vela Nasri Arshavin<BR/> Song<BR/><BR/>Don't you guys think this is better ?? Nasri is really good in the middle, Wenger is onyl wasting his talent! Put Denilson on the bench or reserves! He needs more practise in order to play for the 1st team. Wenger is now ruining Denilson's future and Arsenal's future!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-19125877174457548862009-02-23T08:07:00.000-05:002009-02-23T08:07:00.000-05:00all i wish to say is that i really liked arshavin ...all i wish to say is that i really liked arshavin ....he reminded me of marc overmars really ....his stature his quick feet and he was one player who looked decisive in that barren midfield and the denilson thing is just frustating we have sufferd throughout the season from losing in midfieldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-49465616770079726702009-02-23T07:55:00.000-05:002009-02-23T07:55:00.000-05:00I find it almost comical that wenger has the nerve...I find it almost comical that wenger has the nerve to criticise sunderlands performance. they COMFORTABLY held a team bereft of ideas and sadly lacking in quality on a stage were we have always struggled ... with abit more quality sunderland had the chances to nick it, so i think arsenal got off lightly ! arsenal are no longer the force they used to be...end of....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-61951449186869950622009-02-23T07:09:00.000-05:002009-02-23T07:09:00.000-05:00there can't be any argument with this article, the...there can't be any argument with this article, the guy has shown it statistically<BR/><BR/>these 2 are not good enough, Song is worse than not good enough, he's not good enough and not bothered<BR/><BR/>Eboue coming on was the final straw for me. Although he is not the worst player at the club, his very presence is just infuriating. He should have been chucked in the reserves for what happened at SHL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-66321631075683075952009-02-23T06:05:00.000-05:002009-02-23T06:05:00.000-05:00"Pass completion has to be put into context: if yo..."Pass completion has to be put into context: if you're a defensive player, it's ok to just lay the ball off to the guy next to you"<BR/><BR/>Denilson was signed as a defensive midfielder.<BR/><BR/>That he's developed into a more rounded player in his time with us is just a bonus.<BR/><BR/>I'm still sure that every last one of his vital stats was better than Cesc's before he was injured, including goals and assists (might be wrong about assists).<BR/><BR/>Like I said, when Denilson is part of a successful Arsenal team his hard work will be better appreciated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-68679620545890222132009-02-23T05:01:00.000-05:002009-02-23T05:01:00.000-05:00.fergie is correct we are light in quality in the ....fergie is correct we are light in quality in the middle of the pitch.When we bring useless waste of space eboue on then we truly have surrenderd the game.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-20990833819927786122009-02-23T04:58:00.000-05:002009-02-23T04:58:00.000-05:00Lots of moaning about the central midfield, but th...Lots of moaning about the central midfield, but the bottom line is that we have not lost for ages and have hardly conceded any goals. <BR/><BR/>The feeling is that they are not offensive enough, that they do not pass forward, but RVP got two good chances, Vela had two good chances, Bendtner a 50% chance and Galas a good chance: for Arshavin first chance he was unopposed and shot off target (though apparently this was good, well at least he did shoot). So the strikers lost us the 2 points and it is tough on the midfield to blame them, we all know Adebayor needs 5 or 6 chances to get a goal but you would hope some of our forward line could come up to standard. RVP has done it against the big clubs and Eduardo showed the way against Cardiff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-79730207058301560842009-02-23T03:12:00.001-05:002009-02-23T03:12:00.001-05:00Sorry 7.46Sorry 7.46Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-12166536681813810032009-02-23T03:12:00.000-05:002009-02-23T03:12:00.000-05:00Anon 7.58 - we only have 4 midfielders at the club...Anon 7.58 - we only have 4 midfielders at the club? Really?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-71542267600204042152009-02-23T02:58:00.000-05:002009-02-23T02:58:00.000-05:00The article is right in respect to the midfield pa...The article is right in respect to the midfield partnership doesnt work, but I dissagree entirely with the notion that Denilson is to blame. I would go as far as to say that he has beeen one of the few consistent performers in the team this year and has improved a lot. He has cut out a lot of his forward play in favour of doing a solid defensive job for the team. Hr makes very few mistakes, reads the game well and moves the ball quickly enough. The problem is that Song is also playing DM and he is quite one dimensional. He lacks the quality we need in midfild; too slow, cant pass, doesnt move the ball quickly because it takes too long to control it. I like his commitment, but prefer him as a back up CB if anything. Overall I think Denilson has changed his game to protect our leaky defence and is doing exacactly what AW wants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-8331509745658161472009-02-23T02:46:00.000-05:002009-02-23T02:46:00.000-05:00For me the table says it all! We have four midfiel...For me the table says it all! We have four midfielders at the club (Eboue, denilson, song Diaby) of whom only 2 ( denilson and Diaby) are even good enough to be fringe players at a ANY premier league club! and none of them 2 really fit the mould of a natural defensive midfield player, the position that so obviously needs addressing! <BR/>Im personally getting irritated by the amount of trust and support wenger has in players that are simply not good enough to play for arsenal. <BR/>And contrary to others Im not very optimistic about us getting 4th spot either and if we dont it might be the wake up call and kick up the arse needed to change things.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09369783574699072201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-51207456713933100142009-02-23T02:00:00.000-05:002009-02-23T02:00:00.000-05:00The stats dont lie??? Compare Song/Denilson with ...The stats dont lie??? Compare Song/Denilson with Scholes and Carrick. Without knowing the result you would say Arsenals midfield duo outperform better stats all round. I think you need to compare Nasri Vs Ronaldo if you want to see the real differenceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-14805077779790472122009-02-23T01:23:00.000-05:002009-02-23T01:23:00.000-05:00I think that the pass of Denilson's to RVP was...I think that the pass of Denilson's to RVP was deflected off a defender so that may have impacted on the stats?<BR/><BR/>But I personally think Denilson had a good game & has had a good season. Given the improvement in his game I think he deserves to be retained in the first team alongside Cesc (when fit) and to continue his development. He is smart and very efficient. <BR/><BR/>All those who criticise him must take the view that he is not following Wenger's instructions...<BR/><BR/>His role against Sunderland was not to provide final ball. It was to cover the wingers and full backs and he did that well. So did Song for that matter (although I am convinced he is just a squad player).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-77764260549773104962009-02-22T21:48:00.000-05:002009-02-22T21:48:00.000-05:00if the stats show that denilson didn't hava a sing...if the stats show that denilson didn't hava a single successful pass into the final third, then they're immediately dodgy and they are lying, because it was denilson who played the through ball for vp to chip wide....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-24945955206913145332009-02-22T20:58:00.000-05:002009-02-22T20:58:00.000-05:00As someone said earlier, THE ONLY STAT THAT COUNTS...As someone said earlier, THE ONLY STAT THAT COUNTS IS THAT WE ARE FIFTH (5th)! that says it all! However, you want analyse the season, we are NO BETTER THAN 5th-simple-The table doesn't lie!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-25695794011244287972009-02-22T20:09:00.000-05:002009-02-22T20:09:00.000-05:00If you are going to comment on the game at least s...If you are going to comment on the game at least show some undrstanding of it. Denilson is not meant to be the creative hub. He is a defensive midfielder. <BR/><BR/>Since the injuries to our creative players, Wenger has played a more defensive central midfield set up - hence the goals against us have improved since November. Some credit for that should go to players like Denilson and Song, but of course, it doesn't. Against Sunderland, Denilson and Song sat back and allowed room in front of them for Nasri, RVP and Arshavin to play behind Bendtner, and to cover Clichy and Sagna when they went forward (allowing Nasri and arhsavin to stay forward). Hence passing into the final third by Denilson was not part of his game. For some reason everyone seems to expect that he is going to fulfil a Cesc role, but that is not what is expected of him. We had 60% possession and enough shots on goal to have won 3 or 4 nil, but for some poor finishing and good keeping. How Denilson and Song get blamed for that is difficult to comprehend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-62165652648322883082009-02-22T19:59:00.000-05:002009-02-22T19:59:00.000-05:00It's sad but I agree with most of the points the g...It's sad but I agree with most of the points the guy above me has posted. Though I would have tried to post them in a less ''in your face'' way.Clear Sleevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18144965080550186861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-8316967884164507872009-02-22T19:44:00.000-05:002009-02-22T19:44:00.000-05:00Some of you morons crack me up: stat this....stats...Some of you morons crack me up: stat this....stats that....etc...repeat.<BR/><BR/>THE ONLY STAT THAT COUNTS: Arsenal are FIFTH, 17 pts behind United. Denilson and Song would not even get on the United bench nor the Chelski bench. Defo the poorest midfield combo I have seen all season. How many league goals have Denilson and Song between them? How many medals have they won? Some of you are truly pathetic.<BR/><BR/>Here we are with a team that cannot beat Sunderland and jokers are saying 'Denilson is fantastic'. HIlarious. Alex Ferguson must be bricking it and som must Roma! LOL. Four years, sod all trophies is the only stat that matters. Don't care if Denilson stats say he made 2,000 backward 2 yard passes in a game. <BR/><BR/>If Denilson is supposed to be a creative mid (and i think he is) then he was garbage yesterday, as he always usually is. If he was supposed to be defensive, then that means that AW was playing against a poor team like Sunderland with 2 holding midfielders. And its a sign of how utterly useless he has become as a manager. Our club is a laughing stock.<BR/><BR/>Only stat that matters? Lost to hull, fulham, stoke, battered by city and beaten easily by villa. <BR/><BR/>Wax lyrical about Song and Diaby and Denilson all you want. Let's have this conversation again next season when we are struggling in the UEFA cup yeah? talk talk talk LOOK AT THE LEAGUE TABLE.<BR/><BR/>Denilson probs has better pass stats than Xavi and Lampard and Gerrard. does that make him anywhere near as good? ha ha ha ha.<BR/><BR/>Listen to yourselves. Worst midfield pairing in the PL and some ppl are trying to big them up. 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