tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post2355829847080360089..comments2023-10-30T07:49:39.886-04:00Comments on Goonerboy: Dein sells Arsenal down the river to satisfy his own ego & Usmanov profile.Goonerboyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10489244017423718503noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-72161216318978822852007-08-31T17:05:00.000-04:002007-08-31T17:05:00.000-04:00Excellent article Goonerboy, for those who disagre...Excellent article Goonerboy, for those who disagree I suggest you read the article again. Goonerboy clearly states when he is speculating about Usmanov, I may be biased as I totally agree but it's up to gooners to make up their own minds. <BR/><BR/>David Dein did indeed bring Arsene to the club....and he hasn't shut up about it since. Why would someone who claims to have a love affair with Arsenal try and bring someone in who has no links with the club whatsoever? He has made a neat little profit and could have his cake and eat it if the impending takeover bid is successful....much to the detriment of the club.<BR/><BR/>As for the glory-seekers (I use that term literally) who want to see Arsenal win silverware...all gooners want Arsenal to win trophies but in my opinion the ones who actually care about the club would rather see them do it through progress than doing a chelski and buying the league. We didn't sell our souls to win the double or go 49 unbeaten...why should we start now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-30004031222969612802007-08-31T14:40:00.000-04:002007-08-31T14:40:00.000-04:00This person "anonymous" is a clueless mindless air...This person "anonymous" is a clueless mindless airhead. He's not even worth responding to. "Not innocent until proven guilty" -- excuse me, I'll take the informed knowledge (backed by genuine research and testimon and documentation) about the disturbing background of these lowlifes who are now encroaching on our club ahead of yours, thank you. Both the Times and the Guardian have provided profiles of Usmanov and it's not pleasant reading. And the Times is hardly a radical newspaper.<BR/><BR/>Goonerboy, excellent post.<BR/><BR/>Dein's ultimate aim is obviously to be chairman of Arsenal. I am appalled at how the English gov't and the English FA don't give a damn about selling their national patrimony to a bunch of gangsters, criminals, thieves, human rights abusers.<BR/><BR/>And I can't take seriously any so-called gooner who actually believes the idiotic notion that a sugar daddy like this guy will get us trophies. If you genuinely believe that the only reason we haven't won trophies in the last couple of seasons is a lack of money, then you have zero credibility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-69841721271948045302007-08-31T14:12:00.000-04:002007-08-31T14:12:00.000-04:00Very interesting article goonerboy. I think the cr...Very interesting article goonerboy. I think the crux of the matter should be the "fit and proper" for ownership criteria but as we have seen with the likes of Shinawatra, Abramovich, Gillet and Hicks, the Premiership is going to end up like a rogues gallery...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-58600877100861587922007-08-31T14:06:00.000-04:002007-08-31T14:06:00.000-04:00Tom, well said. Unlike what you said Goonerboy, I ...Tom, well said. Unlike what you said Goonerboy, I think that DD is a true Arsenal fan and have the best interest for the club. However, like some supporters among us, he do not believe that the current direction which the board and Arsene is heading, i.e. structuring the club to be self-sufficient and nuturing youth instead of buying big, will lead to the club success. The only difference is, while these supporters can only mourn and vent their displeasure on blogs and forums, DD has the means to put his ideology into work. He wants to be in control of the club to implement what he believes as the best and most effective method to suceess. However, selling his shares away may not be smartest idea... As Tom mentioned, DD is now at the mercy of Usmanov. You may never know if one day Usmanov decides to appoint one of his close allies to be the chairman and kick DD out...<BR/><BR/>For now, no one can know exactly if pumping money in ala Chelsea will have any adverse effect on the club. In the short term, there may be some degree of success. (And even that is not guranateed. Just look at Newcastle) The more important issue is the long term impact. Roman may leave and leave them in a heaps of debts. Maybe a even richer owner may come and buy them over and bring them greater or continual success. No one knows for sure what will happen. <BR/><BR/>Personally, I rather stick with the current board. The new stadium has already been built and the vision they had for the club is taking shape. So why stop the whole project now and suddenly having a rich owner throwing tons and tons of cash at Arsene (assuming he will be retained) and pressuring him into buying "big stars" which may have a detrimental effect on the team spirit? It just doesn't seem right. Give them time and then we shall judge. If they failed, DD can always come in then...Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03267714979067497873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-71762387153235826042007-08-31T12:48:00.000-04:002007-08-31T12:48:00.000-04:00"The Russian will be no different to the current s..."The Russian will be no different to the current shareholders. "<BR/><BR/>Can't say that I agree with this: the current board don't even take their Board Members' pay: they all do it for nothing! Show me an 'investor' who will do the same....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-27987428177667625542007-08-31T12:15:00.000-04:002007-08-31T12:15:00.000-04:00The "we can’t compete wah wah wah" brigade will sa...The "we can’t compete wah wah wah" brigade will say that we have not won a trophy for two years now and are a little fed up being a club in "transition"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-75810936064030479122007-08-31T12:06:00.000-04:002007-08-31T12:06:00.000-04:00Wenger:“If I want to buy a player today, I have mo...Wenger:<BR/><BR/>“If I want to buy a player today, I have money available. It is my decision to go my own route. I feel we are strong enough to compete and that’s what I want to show. At the end of the season it’s either good enough or not.” <BR/><BR/>In his own words, the manager doesn’t want to spend lots of money.<BR/><BR/>So we’ve got the MD saying we’re minted and a manager saying he’s got the readies but he doesn’t want to blow it.<BR/><BR/>What will the ‘we can’t compete wah wah wah’ brigade say now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-5735495371262481522007-08-31T11:24:00.000-04:002007-08-31T11:24:00.000-04:00Complete Rubbish, on the first point about being a...Complete Rubbish, on the first point about being a gangster... Based on What do you say this.<BR/>On the second point about him not being able to pin point ashburton grove on a map. Well I hope he can seeing has he has a box there.<BR/><BR/>Get real. Arsenal WILL be taken over, unfortunatly the current board has done a bit to gooder job. Its a club running in profit, with a squad that wont actually need that much investment due to wengers good work. And we have a nice spanking new stadium which is generating money hand over fist. We are probably the prime club in the country that everyone with a few bob are looking at.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-78154496756364810172007-08-31T10:38:00.000-04:002007-08-31T10:38:00.000-04:00I think its terrible how all these other foreign i...I think its terrible how all these other foreign investors are 'raping and pillaging' from the clubs they have brought' absolute disgrace!<BR/><BR/>That Gillet fellow forking out 24 million for Torres while Rafa cant even buy Gerard a new toe!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-74318288347178369762007-08-31T10:29:00.000-04:002007-08-31T10:29:00.000-04:00WHY are some so overconfident in Dein? He`s sold o...WHY are some so overconfident in Dein? He`s sold out the club.<BR/>"Loveaffair" he says, well there are different ways of that! Many husbands that beats up the wife call it love, childabusers call it love, there are so many aspects of "loveaffair".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-74616445223977029362007-08-31T10:09:00.000-04:002007-08-31T10:09:00.000-04:00"Just chill Winston"The Russian will be no differe..."Just chill Winston"<BR/><BR/>The Russian will be no different to the current shareholders. <BR/><BR/>If you look at it objectively, say Platini gets his way and scraps CL for 4th placed, that means Arsenal will have to beat one of Chelsea, Manure, Liverpool, Newcastle, Man City,or every other club that is throwing money at every quality player available, (or rely on the FA cup) to be in the CL. With the current trend, quality players are going to be harder to get hold of and if we want to be able to compete we going to have to be able to throw 20 million at player we need. <BR/><BR/>While I believe our current squad is good enough to win the league, we not just competing against the other top 3, and I for one dont think CL is going to be as easy to guarantee in future. <BR/><BR/>Its the way of the market these days and we could be left behind.<BR/><BR/>Only time will tellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-72347203820032113372007-08-31T10:08:00.000-04:002007-08-31T10:08:00.000-04:00stop wasting your time writting shit articles... "...stop wasting your time writting shit articles... "Dein can't be trusted". But who are you to say that? One thing is sure is that you are a gold fish...don't you remember who brought Arsene Wenger in? It is very hard to stay at the top and Arsenal managed to do that thanks to these 2 guys, and not because of the board and their spending!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-76603922846602600112007-08-31T10:06:00.000-04:002007-08-31T10:06:00.000-04:00If you want to read Craig's stuff without sullying...If you want to read Craig's stuff without sullying yourself with the Daily Heil, go to his website http://www.craigmurray.co.uk. Jeez...<BR/><BR/>Dein seems to have let his desire for getting one over on the directors cloud his judgement. He's effectively traded a position of influence in its own right for a powerless position that depends on the patronage of really quite unpleasant men who are definitely not Gooners. That's daft whatever way you look at it, if he really has the interests of the club at heart.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02938347648935528029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-32324764488098307462007-08-31T09:41:00.000-04:002007-08-31T09:41:00.000-04:00Anon. 1.35: As I said earlier, I've only quoted th...Anon. 1.35: As I said earlier, I've only quoted the Mail as Craig Murray wrote the columns - former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan who's strigently investigated the likes of Usmanov.Goonerboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10489244017423718503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-62449812439043909202007-08-31T09:40:00.000-04:002007-08-31T09:40:00.000-04:00I don´t understand how you can discredit the Arsen...I don´t understand how you can discredit the Arsenal board for building Ashburton grove without any kind of outside investment. How is that similar to being bought by a billionaire? We needed to change stadiums to be able to compete with the other big teams, and we can do that as of next season and we shouldn´t throw that away. <BR/><BR/>Give credit to the Arsenal board for what they´ve accomplished. Furthermore I think they´ve got a lot of unfair criticism about all this when it´s Dein who started this uncetainty in the first place when he sided with Kroenke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-66172492294464709912007-08-31T09:35:00.001-04:002007-08-31T09:35:00.001-04:00sorry but if dein is SOOO BAD what difference does...sorry but if dein is SOOO BAD what difference does it make whether he owns the shares or the russians own them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-26842331895473624822007-08-31T09:35:00.000-04:002007-08-31T09:35:00.000-04:00Your arguments hold no substance Goonerboy. I norm...Your arguments hold no substance Goonerboy. I normally hold your comments in high asteem but quoting from the Daily Mail has truly brought you down a notch in my estimation. Dein has always held the club close to his heart and now, as the the Chairman of a company created purely to invest into the club he loves, he has the opportunity to take Arsenal to another level. why would any true Arsenal fan want us to fall behind other European teams?!?!?!?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-28752950219273687522007-08-31T09:33:00.000-04:002007-08-31T09:33:00.000-04:00The presumption that whatever Dein does is good ia...The presumption that whatever Dein does is good ia naive simplistic rubbish. He's done good and bad. Dein was opposed to the Emirates - that shows the man isn't always right! - he wanted Wembley - if that had happened it would have been an absolute disaster for the club. We would have had a season without a stadium and he would have moved the club to the arsehole of nowhere.<BR/><BR/>Opposing Dein selling shares to Russian criminals has nothing to do with supporting tradition or not. It's a question of whats best for the club. Destabillising ownership talk is bad for the club. Selling the club to Russian criminals is bad for the club. Opposing the Emirates was bad for the club.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-55860271661114280352007-08-31T09:29:00.000-04:002007-08-31T09:29:00.000-04:00.More and more foreign owners mean fewer and fewer....More and more foreign owners mean fewer and fewer foreign winners and where will that lead to? Disinvestment.<BR/>Arsenal are financially stable and superbly run at board and management level.<BR/>We don't need outside investment, particularly dodgy investments. I feel that we will win the league or CL this season, maybe both, and will have done it within a realistic budget and transfer market profit. That's the proper way to run a club. We are the envy of every other club in the country. Please don't let us become one of them.<BR/>As for anonymous saying PHW is a snob that just about sum him up: someone who thinks values and standards can be bought. They are earned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-8304348970083847352007-08-31T09:22:00.000-04:002007-08-31T09:22:00.000-04:00as for not knowing where the stadium is on a map, ...as for not knowing where the stadium is on a map, i find this hard to believe seing as how he has a box at emirates since day 1 and has been an arsenal fan for 8 years by all accounts.<BR/><BR/>arsenal needs dein back in the fold. he gave us bergkamp, wengerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-85113386226035477252007-08-31T09:20:00.000-04:002007-08-31T09:20:00.000-04:00although i understand your sentiments, i think you...although i understand your sentiments, i think you are knee-jerking over this news. Really we dont know whats going on at board level, and the current board members although very traditional are not all sweetness and light. DD is responsible very strongly to Arsenals success of late, in particular no DD no AW, and surely no invinsibles, henry viera etc. What successful businessman takes on debt, to ruin the business further, it doesnt make sense. What you are assuming is the day to day conduct and business culture will suddenly go chelski. If that happens then that will suck. but thats not wengers style, nor Deins. Dein and the board have been having a power struggle, if dein was the bitch that u say he is, why didnt he take his 75M and run? why bother putting on this big show for a club he has no passion for? I dont know if this will be good or bad for arsenal but for f*cks sake calm down and see what happens,. It may be positive for us,..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-70788648180732973242007-08-31T09:16:00.000-04:002007-08-31T09:16:00.000-04:00all you lot who are so into the whole traditions t...all you lot who are so into the whole traditions thing-i take it you were gutted and think it was bad to move to the emirates? and i take it you were also gutted and disspaointed that we didn't stay in south london all those years ago? and are gutted we dont buy english anymore? times change, it was not a tradition to have a foreign manager yet we've done alright there. it was not tradition to sign top foreign players, yet no one moans that we've had to "put up" with henry, bergkamp, vieira et al. the only tradition we must keep is that of all being united in our support of the club no matter who's in charge etc...they were his shares, he did what he thinks is right, lets trust him and wenger and see where we are this time next yearAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-79878575649693216752007-08-31T09:13:00.000-04:002007-08-31T09:13:00.000-04:00Remember that Dein's great vision of Arsenal had u...Remember that Dein's great vision of Arsenal had us playing at Wembley every week, ground sharing with England, Rugby League etc etc. He's done some great things for the club, but I don't trust his vision of the future one little bit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-59838282278973134042007-08-31T09:12:00.000-04:002007-08-31T09:12:00.000-04:00arobba-no one wanst us to splash the cash like you...arobba-no one wanst us to splash the cash like you say. BUT, with all other clubs gaining extra revenue and security we need some sort of back up as well, otherwise we will fall away. what do you think will happen IF we fail to qualify for CL next year and gates start falling to 40 thousand? we'd be screwed. as long as dein is the chairman then we are effectively still in the hands of a true born and bred gooner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-31394310290008227822007-08-31T09:11:00.001-04:002007-08-31T09:11:00.001-04:0012.54, what a tosser, "all rich ppl are bad how do...12.54, what a tosser, "all rich ppl are bad how do you think they got their money" did you really type that, all poor ppl are bad how do you think it is that they are poor fuckers, both are wrong what a strange strange statement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com