tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post4138858175807085011..comments2023-10-30T07:49:39.886-04:00Comments on Goonerboy: The Carlos Tevez transfer saga stinks, again.Goonerboyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10489244017423718503noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-47968067432131298792007-07-07T06:36:00.000-04:002007-07-07T06:36:00.000-04:00Anon at 1.42 - I'llm take your season ticket off y...Anon at 1.42 - I'llm take your season ticket off your hands at half price, as you clearly don't want or deserve it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-58473311640680904652007-07-07T04:27:00.000-04:002007-07-07T04:27:00.000-04:00Anon 11:04Arsene has given us a new training groun...Anon 11:04<BR/><BR/>Arsene has given us a new training ground, kept us within budget (even made a profit in transfers), has been very successful at the club and by looking long term, has done what Chapman did and improved the club for the next decade or more. How many managers will leave a club on such good footing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-79787850780957672692007-07-06T20:52:00.000-04:002007-07-06T20:52:00.000-04:00Fascinating conversation between Anon and Anon - I...Fascinating conversation between Anon and Anon - I agree with Anon the supporter rather than Anon the moaner!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-23091050656962982932007-07-06T20:33:00.000-04:002007-07-06T20:33:00.000-04:00Anon 7.42 you're totally wrong. Kroenke and his ...Anon 7.42 you're totally wrong. Kroenke and his wife between them are worth about �4 Billion tops. Thats about 1 third or so of red Rom. Check out Forbes lists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-15563239330342288162007-07-06T19:46:00.000-04:002007-07-06T19:46:00.000-04:00have you forgotten the number of times he complete...have you forgotten the number of times he completely loses the momentum of a counter attack, or plain passes to the opposition? he looks half asleep<BR/><BR/>saw the denilson video, and gilberto's clearly a completely introverted guy on and off the pitch. that's fine i don't mind but that's not captain material.<BR/><BR/>come on the only reason he's captaining brazil is cos dunga's trying to prove a point - we need grafters as well as skills.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-35098096472618782222007-07-06T19:09:00.000-04:002007-07-06T19:09:00.000-04:00The only player above Gilberto's ability is Makele...The only player above Gilberto's ability is Makelele, and he's getting very old. Im sick of people underrating Gilberto - Mascherano? Back to Champ Manager for you.<BR/><BR/><BR/>http://tinyurl.com/2st4rgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-35702734843482664762007-07-06T19:04:00.000-04:002007-07-06T19:04:00.000-04:00having read most of the comments here, i want to s...having read most of the comments here, i want to state my opinion, but i hope those who read it would be mature enough to agree or disagree without resorting to personal attacks.<BR/> First of all, I believe arsene wenger is a great coach, and im in love with the style of football we play, but i dont think that means we should give him a blank check. people always say we should be grateful. grateful 4 what? arsene's style? we r proud of it. his achievements? we've won all those trophies b4 he came. so theres nothing to be grateful 4.<BR/> My thing is, i didnt think we were as far behind as our record showed last season. i felt with 1 or 2 additions, we cld really challenge this season. but selling henry changes that. I'm actually not opposed to the sale, cus i think henry wasnt acting like a captain and he was suffocating his teammates on the field. Now i'm sure da silva would be a good player, but hes definitely should not be our only attacking signing. We need another big name to come in just from a psychological perspective. it could be quaresma, ibrahimovic whoever but not martins or eto'o(that would be silly actually, as both would be away for a month in january, and i'm 4rm nigeria and i kno both players r older than they say they r).<BR/> Point is, wenger is taking 1 hell of a gamble, and he can afford to do it bcus of his job security. there is no other coach in world football who has won nothing in 3 years, that can take the sort of gamble wenger seems to be taking, and thats y a lot of our big players seem to think they r bigger than the club. bcus the see the club as a small club. how many "big" clubs lose 2 captains in 3 years?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-67910496140027963362007-07-06T18:04:00.000-04:002007-07-06T18:04:00.000-04:00Anon @ 6.37 how would it help the future of our cl...Anon @ 6.37 how would it help the future of our club to buy into the dodgy Tevez situation? Unlike ManU we are not the darlings of the FA who will be allowed to get away with suspect signings. They would be all over us like a rash and docking points before you can say boo.<BR/><BR/>The future of our club is in good hands and it is not worth the risk to our long term stability to go for the quick fix.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-34810104890352635642007-07-06T17:53:00.000-04:002007-07-06T17:53:00.000-04:00To 6.05 Anon I agree with everything you said, spo...To 6.05 Anon I agree with everything you said, spot on.<BR/><BR/>It seems people comment without really thinking the big picture through with a clear head and with a sense of impatience and frustration. Arsenal are the only English owned club in the big four. Chelsea are a complete one off with Abramovich as the owner, no other club in the world has that much money behind it and weather we like him or not Mourinho is an excellent manager, probably the real reason for their recent success (Ranieri had the money and did nothing) and I feel that all the other clubs are panicking with buying players or selling the clubs to foriegn investors out of jealousy of chelsea to try and keep up. I totally believe in Arsene and his way of doing things. The man has never let us down. All the big name players over the last 10 years at Arsenal came to us relativly unknown and Arsene made them what they are today. The man is a star maker. Players only ever arrive at the club or leave because of Wenger (Viera, Henry).<BR/>Last season was the first in a new stadium, every team that moves has a bit of trouble settling in the first year and points are dropped. Everyone says injuries are not an excuse but I dont agree. When you have your first choice stikers out for half of the season it will have an effect, there is no getting away from that fact. I reckon injuries to Van Persie and Henry probably cost us 20 goals last season. <BR/>I went on the legends tour at Emirates today with Charlie George. He said that the club would be solvent in less than four years which is just unheard of in football today. Man utd have been mortgaged to the tune of £650M. I would rather Arsenal stay on the course it is currently on than go for short term buys from an investor who does not care for the club or the fans. At the end of the day these foreign buyers are only in it for the money. The most important thing is for Arsenal to buy the RIGHT players rather that making a statement by spending big. Just remember we are blessed to have Arsene Wenger as our manager and that things could be so much worse.<BR/>Have faith in the club and try to keep a bit of perspective.<BR/><BR/>Sorry for the long post but I had to get that off my chest!!<BR/><BR/>PeaceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-67074933696478499192007-07-06T15:58:00.000-04:002007-07-06T15:58:00.000-04:00Anon 7:42, I thought with age came experience? Yet...Anon 7:42, I thought with age came experience? Yet all I'm seeing is the same old arguments from you. As has been said, his wife hasn't got involved yet, maybe if she did it would be less worrying but I doubt it.<BR/><BR/>Wow the Glazers have spent money! They have done badly long term for the club, look at the debt they are saddled up with? Even with the ticket price increases, no guarantee that will be paid off. Do you want us in millions of debt just for the honour of being bought?<BR/><BR/>Dein brought us out of the dark times yes but then he started getting odd. Against the new staduim instead wanting Wembley and going behind the back of the board, manovering for change. The board, for me, made the right choose to let go of a man who was becoming a problem for the club.<BR/><BR/>Maybe Arsene hasn't signed becuase after 10 years, he needs to think about what he wants to do next, stay here or maybe try another club or even a country, maybe he is waiting to see what happens with Stan and the board or maybe he is being slow to sign a contract as usual. Certainly his buys are more long term then one last season buys.<BR/><BR/>As for the press, the club has just done the usual "we have a new player, here is his past record", the reason the fans are excited is because we trust Arsene's nose for a player.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-72630129052355332122007-07-06T15:42:00.000-04:002007-07-06T15:42:00.000-04:00do you ppl even know kroenke is?he is not only wor...do you ppl even know kroenke is?<BR/>he is not only worth a couple of billion, (as if thats not enough!) he is married to the heir of the walmart empire.<BR/><BR/>as a couple they are worth as much as abrahamovic.<BR/><BR/>and have the glazers done badly with man utd? they spend 30m annually. we make profit for the tight wad directors. why do you think arsene has not signed? i wish we had more vociferous supporters to shake up the board. i am sick of being lied to.<BR/><BR/>look i have actually supported the club since neill. it was shit as hell before dein came in. without dein we are in the dark ages of pre 83. look at pr disaster after henry and the hype over a no body from croatia.<BR/><BR/>the lock down is a load of bollocks invented to rip off the british tax payers. ironically the fiszmans are only going to make a huge profit because of dein. the man they stabbed in the back.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-87240541614575957262007-07-06T15:09:00.000-04:002007-07-06T15:09:00.000-04:00Agreed - good post anonymous 6:37.I think that the...Agreed - good post anonymous 6:37.<BR/><BR/>I think that the problem that wehave sometimes is that there is a graet diversity in Arsenal fans. A lot of the younger fans don't remember the years prior to Arsene Wenger - and certainly not prior to George Graham. They're used to winning and get understandably upset when they perceive the club they love to be somehow going backwards. <BR/><BR/>A lot of the older fans, however, remember the years from 71/72-87/88 - 17 seasons when all we had to show for it was one FA cup and a poxy league cup. The really old fans remember prior to 71 and it was even worse!!! For most of them 3 years is nothing and we're still doing better than we were under Terry Neill!! I think that to the older fans it just seems like the younger fans don't actually understand what a barren spell really is. I wouldn't be suprised if a few of them think that maybe a few years of hardship might teach the young'uns what supporting a club is all about!! It's just perspective, really.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, bollocks to that, I want a treble. Get your wad out Wenger!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-66333957905835822712007-07-06T14:53:00.000-04:002007-07-06T14:53:00.000-04:00good post anonymous 6:37 we all love the club we ...good post anonymous 6:37 <BR/><BR/>we all love the club we just want it to succeed and win stuffAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-12356501103425842032007-07-06T14:37:00.001-04:002007-07-06T14:37:00.001-04:00Although I do not agree with prophets of doom want...Although I do not agree with prophets of doom wanting to sell their season tickets, I can understand the frustration of Gooners. I am deadly disappointed that Tevez is not coming to us, he would have made the world of difference to our team and is typical of the way we always seem to lose out these days.<BR/>Arsenal have just announced that their turnover for the last season was £200m against £120m for the last season at Highbury. This is great, but one more 'transition' season and it may not be so easy to fill those 60,000 seats.<BR/>I believe we are one or two signings away from being up there with Utd and Chelsea, but if Wenger doesn't do the necessary and we struggle to finish fourth again and heaven forbid behind Tottenham, then we are in trouble.<BR/>Criticising what is going on is not being disloyal, but concerned for the future of our great club.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-52037056541650020842007-07-06T14:37:00.000-04:002007-07-06T14:37:00.000-04:00I don't see how having a lockdown agreement actual...I don't see how having a lockdown agreement actually helps the club increase the price. If their intention is to wait a year until income streams have improved, all they have to do is make big public statements saying "we're not selling..." etc, etc then wait a year and sell. In the meantime the lockdown just reduces their options if circumstances change. Makes no sense at all, not good business and I don't think that Danny Fiszman is that stupid. The only explanation that makes any sense at all is that they wanted to use the lockdown as a firm statement that they were opposed to the KSE takeover.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-46268806249198003502007-07-06T14:28:00.000-04:002007-07-06T14:28:00.000-04:00"Anyone who thinks that Stan Kroenke is a fairy go..."Anyone who thinks that Stan Kroenke is a fairy godmother is a moron."<BR/><BR/>Especially not with a mustache like that ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-19076285618512096182007-07-06T14:21:00.000-04:002007-07-06T14:21:00.000-04:00Why not a 1 year lockdown? Why tie your own hands...Why not a 1 year lockdown? Why tie your own hands by signing up to a longer one? And if Kroenke's still there at the end of the year just let it roll into another one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-41398915035002641272007-07-06T14:19:00.000-04:002007-07-06T14:19:00.000-04:00Why not a 1 year lockdown? Why tie your own hands...Why not a 1 year lockdown? Why tie your own hands?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-24645475538729436002007-07-06T14:05:00.000-04:002007-07-06T14:05:00.000-04:00"kroenke is not into fucking the fans the way the ..."kroenke is not into fucking the fans the way the present directors are"<BR/><BR/>Anyone who thinks that Stan Kroenke is a fairy godmother is a moron. If he's so interested in Arsenal's financial health and well-being, where was he when we were building the stadium and really needed the investment? No, all of a sudden we have a stadium producing a nice healthy income stream and his eyes light up. And as to his previous experience of running sports franchises, he has NO experience of buying and running a billion dollar one - so all bets are off. The likelyhood of him doing anything other than massively leveraging any buy-out (and thus effectively worsening our debt position and screwing the club long term) are remote. No, he hasn't said that he will do this, but he hasn't said he won't and it's the most likely outcome as he doesn't have enough liquid assets. This is still the same if his wife came in with him (and they aren't trying to take over as a married couple so that's moot anyway). His actual investment in Arsenal should the takeover go ahead would be little more if any than the £100m he's already spent on his 12 odd per cent. People see the word "billionaire" and assume that they have the same financial clout to do as Abramovich has done for the chavs -they don't. Abramovich is a one-off. Stop looking at every billionaire that comes along as a Chelsea style saviour. They aren't - they're sharks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-88709892812083489782007-07-06T14:03:00.000-04:002007-07-06T14:03:00.000-04:00Is it even legal to do more then 1 year? Things ch...Is it even legal to do more then 1 year? Things change, to lock down any longer while loyal could be very stupid if something changes since then. <BR/><BR/>Spurs have uh signed a left back, still have a rubbish keeper and bad defence and brought in a third choice striker. We humiliated them and finished far ahead of them last season, Villa are nowhere close though they will improve, not that much so soon. Now if we were playing badly, I would be worried but mostly, we have outplayed teams only to be undone by a) silly moment at the back and b) not taking our chances. Silva should solve problem b so stop being so pessimistic.<BR/><BR/>You are trying to find bad things to say about the club aren't you? You want the club to suffer? Because most of what you say has been rebutted again and again, for some reason you view even the pundits admiring our football and finishing comfortably 4th(should have been third really) has a sign that we will go tumbling down the league.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-58893328749766534692007-07-06T13:58:00.000-04:002007-07-06T13:58:00.000-04:00On a lighter note, all Arsenal players look like t...On a lighter note, all Arsenal players look like they took a fall from the ugly tree.<BR/><BR/>Tevez looks like he fell and climbed up for another go. <BR/><BR/>He would fit in nicely :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-30500544144491907432007-07-06T13:38:00.000-04:002007-07-06T13:38:00.000-04:00i am a strategist.the lockdown agreement was purel...i am a strategist.<BR/><BR/>the lockdown agreement was purely to protect fiszmans tax status and one more year of 1m wages that edleman does not deserve.<BR/><BR/>why a 1 year term? why not 2 or 3?<BR/><BR/>and to suggest kroenke (12%) would go away after a year is the biggest joke i have heard. so ppl invest 100m and walk away? <BR/><BR/>have you seen how weak the dollar is? next year is better for kroenke. but he knows in a year we would be fucked. we need the investment now. all other teams are strengthening. spurs, villa will challenge us next year. that actually makes the club cheaper to buy next year. but kroenke is not into fucking the fans the way the present directors are.<BR/><BR/>thats why he made the offer of investment even WITH the lockdown agreement.<BR/><BR/>think! but that would have threatened the board because it would have meant the return of dein to help arsene. and edleman and peter dick-wood would have had to resign. no 7 figure salaries for one year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-18604637582538993362007-07-06T13:07:00.000-04:002007-07-06T13:07:00.000-04:00The "not selling for a year" thing is a piece of e...The "not selling for a year" thing is a piece of extremely poorly reported and badly presented PR from the club. When initially presented by the possibility of a Kroenke takeover, the board publicly stated that they had no intention of selling. However, words alone are worth jack-s**t and so they decided to back it up with a lockdown agreement. Lockdown agreements are never indefinite. Nobody signs up to a lockdown agreement stating, basically "I'm never, ever going to sell my shares", they always have an end date. It doesn't mean that the board will sell after that date. More likely the board simply believes that by the end of the year Kroenke will no longer be an issue. If he is still an issue, my money would be on them extending their lockdown.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-83421610440968722972007-07-06T13:01:00.000-04:002007-07-06T13:01:00.000-04:00Anon 4:27If they wanted to sell the shares, they c...Anon 4:27<BR/><BR/>If they wanted to sell the shares, they could have done so ages ago like when we were the invincibles, they all have a history of Arsenal support and they were the ones that got us into a new stadium, given the manager a free hand, refused Stan. If Arsene thought they were doing the club badly then he would have left long ago.<BR/><BR/>The only debts we have are going to be paid off by selling the flats and tickets, we have a greatly improved income, an up and coming team, amazing training grounds, the club is in amazing shape overall. If they were trying to mess up the club (trust me, I know what bad business looks like) or sell off to the highest bidder, they are amazingly incompetent at it. Even if Arsene left, which he could for many reasons not just the board, we are still in good shape in the long term.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22806182.post-91674234486169230362007-07-06T12:47:00.000-04:002007-07-06T12:47:00.000-04:00all very intersting lads , I reckon like some of t...all very intersting lads , I reckon like some of the other guys that their are still a lot more in's and out's to come before the season begins , so don't get to down-hearted just yet . Did anyone see we have brought 2 more youngsters to the club ? A 17 yr old norweigan centre half { Havard Norsveilt I think } and a young portugese winger called Rui Fonte !!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com